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How to change a birth certificate
Does anyone know how to go about changing a legal parent on a birth certificate who is not the biological father? Dawn
That would depend on the state but in Hawaii you can amend your Certificate of live birth and you don't even need to be born in the US.
o Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment? "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html
Chicago Birth Index Video
Explanation of revisions 12:03, 13 October 2007
Removed "Getting official copies of such records is a cumbersome and time-consuming process, although it doesn't usually take a person to physically travel to the birthplace." This is not only opinion but entirely false, because a birth certificate can be ordered in minutes on vitalchek.com.
Removed segment on statutory rape/California laws. These have little to do with birth certificates and should be on the Statutory rape page or perhaps a new page such as Statutory rape laws in California.
Removed segment on Condolezza Rice. This is very irrelevant to the article and should be in the Condolezza Rice article, not here.
Removed many links; we do not need six examples of what a birth certificate should look like, particularly considering that there are already three images in the article itself. In addition, we don't need to post links on how to order birth certificates; this is explained in the article.
72.185.216.247 12:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
What's the penalty, then?
It says 'Births must be registered within 42 days". Okay, what happens if it's not? Can someone actually live without an official birth certificate if they were sucessfully hidden? Kind of a bit lacking on the answer to this, really... Lady BlahDeBlah (talk) 19:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
The case where the father is deceased in the UK
It says that if the parents are not married then both must go to the register office or the father provide some statement, what about the circumstance where the father dies before the child is born, is the name of the father allowed to go on the certificate or must it still be put down as "Father Unknown" I believe such a case happened during the Falklands conflict in 1982
Stickings90 23 January 2008 --Preceding unsigned comment added by Stickings90 (talk o contribs) 15:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
This is a matter of litigation. The issue intersects with the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008 and the right of a woman to use her deceased partner's genetic material to conceive a child. I'm not going to do the research but I'm sure the issue has been raised in Parliament and in the Courts. Andygx (talk) 09:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Image of this alleged birth certificate shouldn't be in article
It hasn't been determined if the document in the image actually is what the file name claims it to be, i.e., its provenance or accuracy has not been verified. The matter of making the determination is in process. Until it's verified it shouldn't be in the article. Even then, the article deals only with American and British birth certificates so far. Additional text regarding other countries' birth certificates, citing reliable sources, would be needed to warrant inclusion of this image.--72.76.82.110 (talk) 13:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
It is correct to say that this is a very provincial article: it deals with just a few English-speaking countries. In fact the French Wikipedia article on "acte de naissance" isn't much better in that respect (it includes Algeria and Quebec). It does point out that birth registrations began in France in Napoleonic times with the Civil Code. A birth (in France and in Switzerland to my knowledge from family experience) is registered locally and then also put on the Family Register (that would be true of Japan too and probably many Civil Code countries). For practical use, one gets (in both France and Switzerland) an "acte d'origine" for a single person, or a "livret de famille" for a family or a person with minor children. and would use this for most purposes. On the other hand, since Britain discourages the issuance of a document corresponding to a U.S. consular Report of Birth Abroad, for use in Britain (and no doubt America) one would just present the foreign-issued certificate with a translation. And to prove status (i.e. to get a passport or at least until Brexit to use a French/Swiss/etc passport and still get British citizens' rights for the child, attach a copy of a parent's British birth certificate. My guess is that the French system is common to most Civil Law countries where, unlike Anglo-American countries registration of domicile (defined differently in Civil Law countries) is mandatory. (County registration on arrival actually exists in two U.S. states, Louisiana and Florida, but is optional.) (I don't post anything on Wikipedia main pages, but I think this sort of background is useful for those who do.) Andygx (talk) 10:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Image should be in artice
- Michael L. -Birth certificate discussion, links to archived discussion:
Just placed here for the record, given the tendentious nature of this campaign, the links will probably be needed somewhere. Sadly, I don't even know if this list is comprehensive, if anyone knows any other boards where this was discussed, feel free to add another link. R. Baley (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Image should not be in article
for the following reasons:
It hasn't been determined if the document in the image actually is what the file name claims it to be, i.e., its provenance or accuracy has not been verified. The matter of making the determination is in process. Until it's verified it shouldn't be in the article. Supposedly Lucas is sending in new photos of his documents through OTRS [7], but they have not yet been received. Even then, the article deals only with American and British birth certificates so far. Additional text regarding other countries' birth certificates, citing reliable sources, would be needed to warrant inclusion of this image.
Luck you. --72.76.99.139 (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Moved image
The image of the Soviet birth certificate has been moved into a small section regarding Russian birth certificates. This was done for the sake of ending this ridiculous edit war. I personally have no knowledge of Russian birth registration or certificates thereof, and encourage someone who knows something about it to add information to that section. Rhythmnation2004 (talk) 17:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Content of birth certificate
Black Kite seems to be under the impression that most birth certificates include some or all of the following information:
- Birth name
- Date and time of birth
- Sex of the child
- Place and/or location of birth
- Names of the parents of the child
- Occupations of parents of the child
- Birth weight and length
- Name of informant registering the birth
- Date of registration of birth
- A birth registration number or file number
While some certificates do, this is not by any means the "usual" or "typical" content of the birth certificate, particularly those issued in the present time. As the article explains, the "long form" birth certificate usually includes the above information, but "short forms", which are far more common these days, do not. This is a superfluous amount of information for the opening paragraph of the article. Other sections of the article go into further detail on the actual particulars included on the birth certificate, but these can vary from state-to-state and country-to-country. Also, like mentioned above, most birth certificates issued today are "short forms" and do not include all of this information. Rhythmnation2004 (talk) 17:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, which is exactly why it says "Some or all". You can't just excise information which does appear on many certificates. Again, I have restored the information. Just because American birth certificates are usually short-form these days does not mean you can remove other information. This is not the American Wikipedia. Black Kite 17:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
"UK" certificates
As is usual on Wikipedia, the details given about "UK" birth certification actually apply only to England and Wales. Scotland and Northern Ireland have separate arrangements. NRPanikker (talk) 15:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
"Full Certificates are required for most legal purposes" (With broken link as citation). What is the basis of this? I've used my abbreviated one my entire life for every legal purpose - even to get a driving licence which is probably the next best form of identity to a passport. I'm sure the only reason the average person needs a full version is for a passport application. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.186.187 (talk) 02:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Two comments: I have 4 children, 1 born in NYC, 2 in London and 1 in Belfast. (1) I've tried to use the abbreviated (and gratis) "short form" birth certificate for anything. My recollection is that it may be valid for seeing child benefit and not much else, but perhaps I'm wrong. The trouble with the long form is that it shows more information than most offices seeing it have a need to know, including whether the child is nonmarital (as nearly half of British children are) or whether paternity was recognised (if the parents are married then only one need sign; if not then both are asked to sign. If the child is born of IVF or the father is unknown or the mother refuses to say, then the line for "father" is blanked out "______". (2) In Northern Ireland the nationality of parents is omitted: that's because nearly all Catholics would say "Irish" and Protestants "British", thus giving away the religion of the child. (Of course we can all tell that anyway by what schools the child went to, but at least it's not the State shouting it out.) Andygx (talk) 09:46, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Identity document and other uses
I've removed this:
No doubt in countries with a formal (compulsory or optional) identity document, the birth certificate is not that document. However, in countries with no such document, I don't think the statement means anything: maybe "if someone asks you for ID and you show them a birth cert, they'll just laugh at you"? I think this is too sweeping a generalisation. In the Republic of Ireland, birth certificates are accepted as proof of identity for voting [8] but not as proof of age for buying alcohol [9]
More generally the article needs sections on:
Long form
The article description of "long form" isn't very good.
The difference between a "long form" and a "short form" is how much information is on it, not whether it is photocopied or not. Electronic Birth Registration Systems (EBRS) still have short forms and long forms. So the comment about long forms becoming obsolete when systems go electronic is nonsense.
Real birth registration forms are divided into two parts, the legal part and the medical part. Look at a the US Standard certificate at [10]. THAT is a long form (2 pages). Items starting with block 20 comprise the medical information. HIPAA privacy laws prevent release of this information. The image of the long form in the article would NEVER be seen by the public today and should probably be replaced with something more realistic. If it were a photocopy, the agency or their computer system would crop it before giving it to anyone. (I have one cropped with scissors.) If an electronic copy, it just wouldn't include the medical part (the image includes the number of terminated pregnancies (abortions).
A further problem is that the terms are used inconsistently. Some times "long form" is popularly used as it is described in the current article.
The whole long/short form section should be severely revised by somebody in the industry. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwdavids (talk o contribs) 17:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
why
how do you expect to get a id when you need a birth certificate and you need a id to get a birth certificate. it's hard for me they would'nt except my school records saying that they don't take copy transscripts that's not fair. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.254.68.126 (talk) 15:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Obama?
Anybody else think the issue regarding Obama's short form/long form birth certificate could use some addressing here? I certainly don't want to plant an WIKIPEDIA::UNDUE seed, and have an article about birth certificates decay into vitriolic rants and edit wars about how BHO is or is not a citizen/president/human being. I just wonder if it would be reasonable and appropriate to have a well-cited sentence on whether the "virtually all circumstances" for which an SFBC is acceptable includes proving citizenship for a presidential candidate. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.10.227.130 (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
US Birth Certificates Issued by Federal Government
In certain circumstances a birth certificate will be issued at the federal level via the US Department of State. The certificate is known as a Consular Report of Birth (FS-240). http://travel.state.gov/law/info/overseas/overseas_703.html --Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.71.217.9 (talk) 02:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Why are there so many periods in different orders? Someone needs to fix it, it looks very bad.
It is correct to say that a CRBA is not a birth certificate. On the other hand, it serves that purpose (and has the same legal standing), when a child is born abroad with American citizenship in a country that does not reliably register births (think: Somalia, Sudan and many other countries) or is born in a country that is not recognized as a State (Somaliland, Abkhazia, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus ...) or the document is in a non-Western language. More interesting (and more correct) is reference to birth certificates issued by Native American Tribes, especially before 1924 (the year of the Indian Citizenship Act) when most (I think 60% of) Native Americans were protégés, not citizens. Today it seems such issuance is coordinated with the States, thus https://archives.utah.gov/research/inventories/81444.html A second federally-controlled exception is infants born to military abroad, where the military handles the documentation with the host country and with the U.S. consular service. I searched, but couldn't find, any reference to military-issued certificates in places where there is no local civil registry. Andygx (talk) 10:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
birth certificates
im trying to get some info on what is legal i suspect someone in family has entered a childs stepfather on her birth cert as her father he was involved as they both signed it i know hes not her father is this illegal and they split up can he claim the child --Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.42.241 (talk) 22:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Jus Soli and the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution
It is incorrect to say that the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides jus soli citizenship. The 14th Amendment requires more than birth in the United States. It requires that the person be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". There are many circumstances under which a person may be born in the United States but not be subject to the jurisdiction thereof. If not, the amendment would be the same without the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". The words are there for a purpose.
The 1866 Congressional debates confirm that the two citizenship clauses -- the one in the 14th Amendment, and the one in the 1866 Civil Rights Act -- were intended to have the same meaning and effect. During those debates, the primary framers of the 14th Amendment citizenship clause, Sen. Jacob Howard and Sen. Lyman Trumbull, made it clear that "jurisdiction", as used in the 14th Amendment, means sole and complete U.S. jurisdiction, i.e., not subject to any foreign power:
Sen. Lyman Trumbull: The provision is, that "all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens." That means "subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof." What do we mean by "complete jurisdiction thereof?" Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
Sen. Jacob Howard: [I] concur entirely with the honorable Senator from Illinois [Trumbull], in holding that the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States, coextensive in all respects with the constitutional power of the United States, whether exercised by Congress, by the executive, or by the judicial department; that is to say, the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.254.147.8 (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Must full birth citizenship debate be either entirely suppressed or fully presented at peripheral articles?
Is it necessary to fully suppress or fully present the debate on U.S. birth citizenship whenever it is mentioned in an article that is only peripherally related?
As the initiator of this RfC, I submit it is legitimate to summarize the current U.S. law as presented in reliable sources, with a wikilink to an article that explores the issue more fully. In an article that is only peripherally related to the debate over U.S. birthright citizenship, is not appropriate to describe alternative interpretations of the constitution that are not currently followed by U.S. courts, nor is it appropriate to describe movements to amend the constitution to alter the basis of citizenship. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
This discussion seems to have come to an end. Is it appropriate to close the discussion and remove {{Disputed-section}} from the Birth certificates in the United States section? Jc3s5h (talk) 00:13, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Response to RfC No. Do not mention the controversy in this article. This article is about birth certificates. Not specific issues at this point in time in a particular country. The Rhymesmith (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
No for reasons spelled out by The Rhymesmith. Ngchen (talk) 01:03, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
No - Agree with the two comments above. This article is about birth certificates. Not about citizenship debates. NickCT (talk) 17:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
The lead
The lead says that a birth certificate is a vital record and then that it is prima facie evidence. In fact record evidence is conclusive, not prima facie. An announcement in a newspaper is prima facie. I will remove this last sentence. TFD (talk) 10:08, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Shane Landrum's doctoral dissertation at Brandeis covered the subject of his Cliotropic article more completely: according to WorldCat Dissertations, it is entitled "The state's big family bible: birth certificates, personal identity, and citizenship in the United States, 1840-1950 / (122 pages, 2014) and available (only) at the Brandeis Library or on microfilm from University Microfilms. Andygx (talk) 09:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Long forms and short forms
This is an utterly unsourced distinction that arose entirely from the Obama birthers controversy. The real distinction is whether it's a certified photocopy of the hospital certificate or another document with the same information produced by the issuing agency. Before they had copy machines they'd type up a certificate by hand and certify it. When copy machines came out they started making photocopies and certifying those because it was easier. Now that it's the computer age they are doing computer printouts and certifying those. But "long form" and "short form" are terms that came right out of a conspiracy theory. Additionally, the section 'Types of certified copies issued' says a bunch of stuff that isn't in the cited sources. The entire section should really be removed unless someone wants to put some work into fixing it. Mystylplx (talk) 19:52, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
The more common terms found in the sources are "Computer certification" and "photocopy certification." Mystylplx (talk) 20:05, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Interestingtly, I found this from SC where they refer to a computer generated certificate as a "long form" and the wallet size as the "short form." I think if nothing else this shows there's no nationwide agreement on the meaning of these terms. Mystylplx (talk) 04:25, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
Citation format
The first edit to include a citation in this article does not follow any satisfactory format. So what format should the article follow? Jc3s5h (talk) 00:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Nonsense
"The documentation of births is a practice widely held throughout human civilization, especially in China, Egypt, Greece, Rome, and Persia. The original purpose of vital statistics was for tax purposes and for the determination of available military manpower. Births were initially registered with churches, who maintained registers of births."
The word initially implies that when the practice of birth documentation started, births were registered with churches. Obviously, that's not possible if the practice really does go back to Ancient Egypt, some centuries before Christ. 2.25.140.81 (talk) 16:12, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
Birth certificate and conspiracy theories
I think that something should be included in respect of the Birth Certificate conspiracy theories (especially the Redemption Movement) that are going around the internet at the moment. I think Wikipedia contributors could do a good job at debunking that. --Marianian(talk) 10:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Birth certificates in cases of adoptions-Revamp
This section uses poor English, state things that are not facts, and even contradicts itself. Furthermore, it has no source cited. How is this possible? When I had an account, hours upon hours of my work was automatically deleted for having no webpage link for a source(thought there is no link to my degree anywhere online so...). A revamp should be in order. Thanks. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.84.89 (talk) 14:38, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Birth Certificate as Bank Note
After doing my own due diligence by calling the Vital Records of three States of the United States, the Bank Note Specialist in each of these respective offices told me that Birth Certificates are Bank Notes. They told me that each birth certificate has a red or black number and/or a bar code in the lower corner on the front or back that makes every Birth Certificate a bank note and that by removing this number it would no longer be a bank note.
One man told me that a part of the Birth Certificate specification is that it is printed on bank note paper and has this Bank Note ID in the corner.
Please add the type of paper and the Bank Note ID as part of the specification for a Birth Certificate. To verify this, call up any Vital office and ask to speak to the Bank Note Specialist. This is "common" knowledge within these offices.
It appears that the true purpose of a Birth Certificate is that governments use our physical bodies as financial securities. This places our being-ness into commerce which would also explain why legal systems world-wide apply Commercial Code upon humans even when no commerce is taking place.
68.79.88.155 (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
If it is not a bank note then why did the Office of Vital Records for THREE US States say specifically that, and I quote one of them, "Without that Red Number it wouldn't be a Bank Note."? Have you called to verify with these offices that it is not a bank note?
68.79.88.155 (talk) 19:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Here is how you verify that a Birth Certificate IS a bank Note... Call the Office of Vital Records for the STATE OF CALIFORNIA at (916) 445-2684. Ask to speak to the Bank Note Specialist. Ask her "Why can't i get a birth certificate without the Bar Code in the corner." Due diligence is required. It does not take "bravery." It just takes research. The response to this question was this, and i have a recording of her saying this too, "Without a bar code it wouldn't be a Bank Note." Refute that with sources please. I have provided my source. Please provide yours. Wikipedia is not the place for "rationalizations."
68.79.88.155 (talk) 19:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
68.79.88.155 (talk) 19:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Dear IP 68.79.88.155: No, that is not how you verify that a birth certificate is a bank note. You don't call the Office of Vital records, etc., etc., for the State of California and getting the response you claim that someone will receive does not prove your point. That's not how these things work.
A birth certificate is not a bank note. A bank note is, generally, a document evidencing a debt owed by a bank. A birth certificate is a document evidencing a birth.
I don't need to provide a "source." This is not an article. This is the talk page for an article. You are spouting nonsensical, erroneous gibberish. Famspear (talk) 20:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and for future reference: Calling the vital records departments of various state governments and speaking to someone supposedly acting as the "Bank Note Specialist" does not constitute proper legal research on the nature of bank notes or birth certificates or anything else. And, more to the point, such phone calls -- and the results obtained from such phone calls -- would not qualify to provide us with proper sourcing under the rules of Wikipedia. One of the basic rules of Wikipedia is: No Original Research. That rule applies with even greater force when, as here, the "research" does not even come close to qualifying as correct research. Famspear (talk) 20:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Requesting information on obtaining birth certificate
My grandfather was born here, how can a have a cooy of his birth certificate? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldealba6511 (talk o contribs) 19:04, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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Legal guardian age of disbursing to child (USA)
While visiting the United States, I learned that many young homeless persons did not receive a birth certificate from a legal guardian upon exiting the home. Is there a case study pertaining to this in modern Culture?
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